SSF4 dyskusja ogólna

[Fazza]

Jestem na maxa zawiedziony . Nie postarali się. Już sam jego wygląd kojarzy się z Darunem Misterem z serii EX. Mam nadzieję, że nie jest wypada tak źle jak na pierwszy rzut oka. Hakan ma chyba konkurować z Danem bo innych pajaców nie uświadczyłem w SFIV

[apolon]

Nie no, generalnie żenua. Chociaż skłamałbym gdybym powiedział, że ultra ala kręgle mnie nie rozbawiła.

[Snow]

lol nieźle zaszaleli tbh  wystrzeliwanie na żółwia ftw!

[Kejim]

Z SRK

Ryu - Ryu's medium and hard dragon punches hit twice now. Damage is down on it, but if you FADC, you only get one hit from it, so damage is down even farther. Trades to ultra from DP are gone, and most trades into ultra from SF4 are gone, but not all. Puts you in a floaty state, and you cant combo afterwards.

Ken - He is not looking good. They didnt give him much. He cannot FADC to Ultra2 normally. He didnt get crazy kicks from previous SF games. They slightly improved his fireball.

Chun li - She got 'infinitely better'. U2 combos easily all day. The upkicks target combo goes into U2, as well as EX legs anywhere on the screen. Its very dangerous. U2 gets all 20 hits every time, if it whiffs for a while and you get hit by the very end of it, you still take the full damage.

Guile - He seems to have been given nothing. Sonic Hurricane, his U2 is not good. Super into U2 is the only known combo into it. Down+Taunt puts on glasses, but doesnt give him any buffs or advantages.

Zangief - Very similar. He could lariat trade into U2 in earlier builds, but he cannot anymore. Rufus and tall characters can block his lariat low and punish with a crouching RH.

Rose - She can juggle off soul reflect into air throw or U1 or ex fireball. U2 is very good. Can corner juggle into orbs. Each orb can hit once before it dissipates, including on block. They do about 20% damage each on full ultra. Wiz noted that he needs to check what happens when projectiles hit them. When the orbs activate, there is a delay before you can do special moves again, including throw. They delay felt like 3-4 seconds. Orbs cross up very easy. Rose seemed powerful.

Blanka - Seemed the same, new ultra isnt that great, can get thrown out of it.

Honda - Noticed no changes, cant jump on reaction to U2.

Dhalsim - He seemed the same. U2 hit box is prttty small. Super hard to hit.

Balrog - U2 jumpable on reaction to activation. His U2 is bad, it has terrible range. Seemed too hard to land to be worth giving up U1.

Vega - Seemed the same. His Claw stays on a lot longer now, though. Ex dive off the wall doesnt go through opponent anymore.

Sagat - He does marginal less damage overall. Scar-uppercut does double damage, nothing more. If you do scar move, you cant do it again until you uppercut, but you can store the powered up state the entire round if you want. forward + RH still juggle state.

Bison - J.Strong into U2 works. Its not a charge motion so its very handy. U2 is a blockable stomp attack, and it can crossup! It hits hard, too! No known nerfs.

Rufus - Ex messiah kick is not as good, but still good. A few frames less on invincibility, and less damage. EX snake strike damage is way down. U2 doesnt seem to combo well. U2 is good anticrossup or antiair, but thats about it. Has to work for wins now

Fuerte - Fuertes normals are all faster now. U2 is extremely good.

Viper - No notable changes. She can U2 off EX seismo if you are fast. The recovery from U2 is ok. Rumors of mp thunder nerf are untrue or reversed, if its slower its only a frame or two.

Abel - He has a faster c.hk. U2 cant combo but its fast and has armor if you hold the button, it looks to be very good.

Guy - Feels slow. Has cool chain combos into super. EX spin kick is vertical. EX shoulder is his best move, super fast.

Cammy - Cannon drill 'got a little better'. Uppercut damage nerfed pretty hard. U2 is terrible. U2 can be broken by using breaker.

Fei - Changes not apparent. Counter ultra can be broken by a breaker.

Gouken - No known nerfs. U2 still blockable, but backthrow into 5 hits of it into wallbounce into more fun works.

Sakura - Her crossup j.mk is back. Very good crossup. Makes her feel more like sakura again. U2 is the best choice. Its two ultras in one, okay damage, easy to combo, can aim it up or forward. EX hurricane to ultra is simple as hell.

Dan - Dan is secretly way better now, he got what he needed. Uppercut fadc U2 is strong. His fireball goes 60% of the screen now. The rest seems untouched, but this is 'all he needed' to be a contender.

Akuma - no known nerfs. Many of the nerfs from earlier builds were reverted. Infinite is gone, but you can still combo after s.hk. Jab cannot link to HK anymore, so you cant loop it. Lv2 focus into new ultra wiffs, but works from Lv3 focus. EX airfireball into U2 works.

Gen - Only nerfs found so far, no chain combos, no mk .kick to hands at all. ex wall dive lost some invincibility.

Seth - Everything is the same, except his focus attack takes longer to hit lv2 now. Its not very good. U2 can combo anywhere you could combo stomps and does good damage.

Juri - Kara throw is good with HP. Wiz could only find a 5 hit Custom Combo in U1 mode without FADC. U1 mode is really long in duration. EX wheelkick seems nearly instant startup. Hitpoints seemed close to Ibuki's, but it was hard to tell.

T.Hawk - Hawkdive is his armor breaker. Hawk Upper cannot be FADCed at all, ever, at any point. U2 is bad, very very hard to hit. Feels slower than Zangief but stronger. His normals are very good.

Adon - He seems very weak. Both ultras are hard to use. Jaguar Tooth and Jaguar Kick are both unsafe on block. Air Jag-kick might be safe. EX jag kick is safe. Has a very good overhead though, one of the best.

Deejay - He seems decent. Nothing too bad, nothing too good. Reminds you of ST in that way.

Cody - He can only FADC tornado on first hit and the tornado wont come out. He cannot combo ultra after it. Has 3 levels of charge on his Zonk Knuckle, and its really really good and annoying. He says BINGO everytime he does it. You can combo into Zonk. HK ruffian is good.

Dudley - Not much to add to JWong's video, but he is probably #1 in the game.

Makoto - EX grab has 1 hit of armor! Outside of this, nothing to add to JWong's video.

Ibuki - Slide does not go under fireballs, air knife doesnt cancel out fireballs.

Hakan - Seems OK at first. Looks like hellboy red and is kinda fat. Has spiky hair. Has a 360 move where he puts you in his arms and sqeezes you out with oil slicked body. you fly across the screen at a 45 degree angle. He can slide along the ground face first and hit punch during for a followup (only when oiled up). Has an air grab where he belly flops. DP+K puts on more oil.
He takes out both hands and dumps oil on himself and it looks funny. He then glows white. When he has oil, he is 200% better. putting oil on takes half a second, and its duration based. EX oil lasts a long time. In non-oil mode, he is like gief. When he is in Oil Mode, he can chain everything, like c.lk x4 into mp. Moves in oil mode have more range, including 360. Front and backdash are better in oil mode too. All of his pokes have neutral and toward versions. Has a 'trap' ultra, where he lays down, and if you step on him, he grabs you. You cannot touch him at all, even if not attacking. You slip on his stomach like its ice. Then he 69s you as you slide along the ground and you fly out his buttocks.

The 2nd ultra is comedy as well. 720 motion, throws you up in the air and you board the OIL COASTER. You ride him going around his body till you are ejected into a wall at the end.

His super is double fireball with kick. Its a leaping grab thats crouchable, like Alex DDT he leaps at you.

[krill]

Hakan - zal na maksa. Po prostu nie moglem uwierzyc w to, co widzialem. Gra bedzie tak samo slaba, jak SF4.

[Kejim]

Hakan - zal na maksa. Po prostu nie moglem uwierzyc w to, co widzialem. Gra bedzie tak samo slaba, jak SF4.

na widok takich reakcji aż mi się chce zrobic z Hakana  maina

[Fazza]

Też uważam, że Super będzie tylko w nazwie. Jak można dziadka tak ogołocić ;(? Powaliło ich do reszty. Nawet MK xx Hands. Przykładów jest na pewno więcej. Trzeba będzie zmienić postać :/. Dobrze że dojdzie 10 nowych.

[manieq_TLT]

Hakan mnie tez rozczarowal i faktycznie jest nieco podobny do daruna z exa no coz zobaczymy co to bedzie z tego SSF4

[Snow]

o widze ze wystarczy jedna postac zeby sie zbiorowe jeczenie ze super ssie zaczelo. psxextreme normalnie.

[Kaczka]

Mi tez Hakan się zajebiście nie podoba (napakowany pedal xD) i mam nadzieje ze mało osób będzie nim grało . Mogli Hugo lub Q wcisnąć lepiej .

[Fazza]

Ja tutaj nie płaczę z powodu Hakana tylko przez okaleczenie dziadka. Teraz to Gen może trzymać sztamę z Danem .

[Snow]

Ja tutaj nie płaczę z powodu Hakana tylko przez okaleczenie dziadka. Teraz to Gen może trzymać sztamę z Danem .

No nie byłbym taki pewien, Dana ponoć nieźle zbuffowali    A tak na serio to nie wiem dlaczego akurat dla dziadka tak znerfili. Imo to trzeba poczekac i zobaczyc jak w praktyce to wyjdzie, bo juz kilka było fałszywych alarmów o nerfach i nie ma co zmieniać postaci zanim gra wogóle wyszła.

BTW. Mi tam się Hakan podoba, coś czuje, że troche nim pogram 

[TasTer]

Hakan = mój main
Oby taunty fajne miał.
ok żart mode off

Z tego co wyżej:
-Gief nie ma comba po lariacie cieszmy się.
-Nie zwalniam Akumy z arsenału postaci moich (hurra)
-Jeżeli Krilluch będzie w to grać komunistką (o ile w ogóle) to mamy pozamiatane (xD)
-Sakura i Rose - wydają się mocne (może jako trzecią postać którąś wezmę)
i
-Powrót do Dudleya - bo od SC4 wybieram tylko topów :-)
-Rufusa za to zwalniam.
-Abel zostaje jako jedna z głównych postaci
-A co do Hakana to nie wiem czemu sie czepiacie - zabawna postać, wydaje się mocna nawet.
tyle przemyslen :-)

[TheStormIsOver]

Hakan jest oki to że ma zabawny move list nie oznacza tragedii. Trzeba po prostu podejść do tego z przymrużeniem oka. Marek raczej nie zwolni Chun btw i tak jest pozamiatane a jeszcze nawet Super nie wyszedł.

[Patosław]

Czyli na chwile obecną mój skład wygląda tak.

1)Makoto
2)Ryu
3)Ibuki/Juri

Jest nieźle