SSF4 dyskusja ogólna

[Wacho_VHO]

Jedno z tych miejsc powinno należeć do Karin i to jest fakt:P

[Dadrot]

tylko pod warunkiem, że robiłby ją team ninja z racji na mocno dopracowane animacje ;q

[Wacho_VHO]

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=657839377602&comments dobrej jakości film z air dashami, double jumpami i crossującym palmem.


EDIT

http://pl.justin.tv/offcast?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=www.eventhubs.com#/w/788280656 stream

[Dadrot]

nie mam facebooka
jedno pytanie tylko, gdzie jest mój Final Bison?

edit: live stream evil dark shotos http://ja.justin.tv/offcast#/w/788280656

[Gargooletz]

A gdzie sleepy cody, hungry blanka i drunken zangief?

Moveset może jest i ciekawy, ale klimat ssf został poważnie osłabiony. Tyle fajnych postaci mogli dodać, a mamy świecących się shotosów :\

[Wacho_VHO]

ONI AKUMA

- Seems like he has normal or slightly less than average vitality, Zangief's full ultra 1 does 55% dmg from full health

- Far standing MP and HP cancellable into specials, combos into QCF+LK

- LP -> far HP cancelable

- st.HK or F+MK Kara cancel to throw, slightly shorter range than Ken's Kara throw

- cr.HK slower and more recovery than Akuma, doesn't combo from LK Tatsu

- QCF+P; Fireball that travels about 75% of screen, then disappears. Can be held like Gouken's, then it does 2 hits and goes full screen. EX acts like a fast 2 hit fireball, can be combo'd from c.MK

- HCB+P; Electric fireball, has same properties as Akuma's HCB+P fireball. EX is faster, more damage?

- DP+P; Standard Akuma DP. Close standing 3 hits, FADC is best on the 2nd hit.

- QCF+K; Rushing spinning punch; Cannot combo after knockdown in corner?
    LK - Automatically does attack, no dash. No knockdown, Only combos from clHP
    MK - Quarter screen dash, then performs attack. Knocks down
    HK - Half screen dash, then attacks. Crosses through opponent up close
    EX - Goes through fireballs, HK distance, knocks down.

- QCB+K; Hurricane kick identical to Akuma's. Knocks opponent farther away, cannot DP or trip follow ups

- DP+K; Jumping attack, hits high, large hitbox. EX version counts as overhead.

- j.QCB+P; LP air dashes forward, MP performs downward attack, HP air dashes backward. Air dashes have minimum height and perform damaging attack on startup frames. No follow up attacks available.

- Ultra 1; Standard fireball ultra, does good damage.

- Ultra 2 HCFx2 PPP; Full animation deals 50% dmg t Zangief at full health. Non-animation deals 20% to full health Zangief and works as anti-air. Invincibility?



EVIL RYU

- Seems like he has less life than Oni, but unsure.

- far MP cancel into fireball
- far HP no cancel, like akuma's

- f+MK goes over lows, moves forward a bunch.

- standing FP kara throw, good distance

- Akuma's j.down+MK dive kick at top of jump
- f+MP : akuma's chop

- QCF+P ; normal fireball like Ryu
- HCB+P ; akuma fireball
- QCF+K ; Cool axe kick onto opponents head, only overheads on EX, relatively safe.

- DP+3P ; Teleport is just like akuma's

- Ultra 1 ; Just like Ryu's Ultra 1

- Ultra 2 ; Uppercut super Akuma used to have,  has cinematic if you get the first hit, otherwise does okay damage.

- DP -> FADC -> Fireball ultra works

- EX Upper travels far forward, like Ken's FP Upper

- c.MK -> QCF+LK does good damage, can't combo after FADC


http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/1/22/exclusive-oni-akuma-and-evil-ryu-media-move-sets-impressions.html screeny

[CheeseOfTheDay]

tak, nie będzie iAD : <

[Guile]

Każdą nową postać witam z otwartymi ramionami, w szczególności że wyglądają kozacko, ale mam nadzieję, że do momentu wydania AE na konsole dodadzą jeszcze przynajmniej jedną. Takie rozwiązanie by pasowało, biorąc pod uwagę to, że paczki z dodatkowymi strojami są zawsze dla pięciu postaci. Teraz tylko trzymać kciuki za Rolento:)

[Wacho_VHO]

Jeszczd trochę o nowych postaciach z SRK:

E Ryu
-can combo into U2 with Low Forward xx EX Fireball FADC U2. With ANIMATION. Sick.
-Has low health. Pretty bad. Two wrong guesses and you dizzy from some characters =/
-Does a TON of damage. One combo into tatsu did about 35- 40 percent on chun li.
-Low forward is third strike low forward... Pretty damn good, but slower than ryu's. You can't combo into it off jabs.
-You CAN combo into his STRONG off jabs though, and his c. strong is REALLY REALLY good. Thing has a LOT of range and stuffs a LOT of shit. On bigger hitbox characters you can combo 3 c strongs into whatever you like. so far you can do it on Oni.
- The new overhead stomp move isn't an overhead unless ex'd. You can combo into the normal versions from a low forward. Ex doesn't combo.
-Hop kick. =)
- Teleport.
- His super is R. Demon. His ultra's are a mega fireball and a metsu go shoryu uppercut thing which he hits you with three uppercuts: flies into the air and charges evil energy... and slams you're face into the ground with it.
-Fierce Uppercut Anti Air is back.
- It's all about risk reward. I played E Ryu, and I played normal Ryu against him at one point. Does he makes Ryu obsolete? No way. Essentially, you're getting a different version of Ryu who does more Damage, but in return takes a LOT OF DAMAGE. His low forward is better or worse in some ways, but he has some cool tools that could help out against normal Ryu's bad matchups. However-- he's for sure not overpowered. No way.

He's not like Vanilla Sagat either. Vanilla sagat you could guess wrong quite a few times and still pull out a victory with one ultra combo. E Ryu you guess wrong twice you're fucked. V

Very cool character though. Tons of fun to play and a nice vary up to normal Ryu's style.

ONI


Most of my Oni notes have already been stated but:
-he actually probably has good health. But low damage output. Fierce fierce uppercut with Ryu didn't hurt him that badly.
- Can combo U2 off his ex slide dash move.
- Some of his normals are fairly good(s HK) some are so/so.
- His c. strong is pretty decent.
- His fireballs don't go full screen unless ex'd.
- His shoryuken is good at times and hit and miss at others.
- His demon flip is a really good anti air from some ranges.
- Air teleport seems REALLY good with some practice.
- Can do air ultra fireball... possibly for chip.

Overall: seems to have a lot of potential, but needs to be learned. Like I said before, also not overpowered.

Both of these guys are pretty fun to play. They look cool, they're pretty solid, and they're definitely beatable. E Ryu is different from the other Shotos and tbh I wouldn't really call Oni all that shoto like. Yeah, he has a fireball, an uppercut and a tatsu... but the properties are pretty weird, and a lot of his playstyle seems quite different. Exciting stuff.

[Vipe]

jak dla mnie rewelacja!!! Z niecierpliwością czekam na E.Ryu zwłaszcza po tym co zrobili z normalnym Ryu

[Gargooletz]

Jak napisałem w komentarzach iplaywinner: gejmplejowo pewnie bedą całkiem ciekawi i oferują jakiś tam powiew świeżości, ale ich obecność, a zwłaszcza design nie pasują do strita. To jest gra o wojownikach z całego świata, a nie jakichś super magicznych istotach.

Jakby darowali sobie te wszystkie światełka, płomienie i inne bzdury to byłoby mi to łatwiej przełknąć. Potwierdza się, że niemal każda nowa postać w SF4 to klapa dizajnowa (wiem, że Zły Raju już był, ale w ogóle tak nie wyglądał).
Niestety artyści Capcomu się zgubili i zapomnieli o co kaman w serii. Szkoda, bo to właśnie zawodnicy tworzyli klimat tej gry.

[apolon]

Potwierdza się, że niemal każda nowa postać w SF4 to klapa dizajnowa

no co ty... a rufus, juri, viper?

[Bladyszy]

Ale chyba nie mówimy o Akumie, a z tego co wiem, Ryu nie ma teleportu.

Juz ma:)

Potwierdza się, że niemal każda nowa postać w SF4 to klapa dizajnowa

no co ty... a rufus, juri, viper?

Ja tam nie widze dizajnowych klap, nawet kiedys sam dizajn Hakana sklonil mnie by nim grac. Jednak nie trwalo to dlugo.. okazalo sie ,ze wyglad to nie wszystko.

[Gargooletz]

no co ty... a rufus, juri, viper?

To jest żarcik? Bo nie czuję przez neta xP

Ja będę uparcie powtarzał, że projekty nowych postaci są ogólnie rzecz biorąc dobre, albo świetne. Sęk w tym, że jak dla mnie (każdy rzecz jasna pewnie innaczej to widzi) zwyczajnie większość z nich nie pasuje do SF, przynajmniej w takiej formie w jakiej są obecnie (Rufus, Hakan, Juri, Viper), albo są po prostu złymi wyborami (Gouken).
Inny problem z SF4 jest taki, że wszystkie decyzje podejmowane były tak, żeby wykorzystać nostalgię do zrobienia kasy. Przez to fabuła właściwie stanęła w miejscu, postacie przestały ewoluować i zgubiliśmy timeline (np. wiek Sakury).

[Hiryu]

Ja się zgodzę, że Rufus i Hakan są trochę wyrwani, ale Juri i Viper pasują całkiem nieźle. Zresztą Juri jako pierwsza koreańska postać z Korei dodana do SF reprezentuje jak należy